Vaccines: Are They Good? Are They Bad? Should They Be Required By Law?, This is the poll & topic of the week. Please share your thoughts h Options

[d-carey]

i live in rochester home of mayo. as a member of the forum i try to keep people informed.

some get it many do not.

considering mayo helps to set national policy i hope to have an impact. this community is not united much on any front. they do not have an alternative paper and people are pretty much every person for themselves.

so i use public paper forums - i get banned so i don't know how much longer i can do this.

if there are other people in rochester plugged into something i am not aware of - please contact me.

[Janet]

If the news I read is correct, that children and the younger generation are more at risk to contract swine flu, I think back to my generation who grew up in the late 40's, 50's. We had no mumps, measles or chicken pox vaccinations, but we actually got the illness. All the children went through it, and no one died or had terrible damage. Yes it was uncomfortable, but we got over it. Is there a connection to the vulnerability of the younger ones, that their immune systems are compromised today because of the vaccinations?

[Dennydedriver]

Vaccines are initially good. The past generations of citizens without smallpox, polio, German Measles, tetanus, typhoid fever, rubella, and others are proof that tested vaccinations do work!

However, the new Swine Flu shots/vaccines are not human tested yet! And the law is requiring that all new school students must have a series of three shot/applications of this UNTESTED medicine! This is sheer madness!!!

Don't let this happen to your children! Get your doctors involved in signing a responsibility form if your child develops damaging side effects. AND GUESS WHAT, THEY WILL NOT! SO, why in hell are your going to allow this to be done to yourself and your children/grandchildren. Don't believe the hype about Swine Flu. It's mostly bovine-biomass.
The latest blogs indicate that the Swine Flu is nothing more that a re-release of the Spanish Flu of early 1900's. Yes a re-release! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)

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[cloudsandskye]

I've had all the usual vaccinations, and some unusual ones, without incident. I think vaccines are a great invention. I used to get the flu almost every year because I couldn't get vaccinated due to my allergy to eggs. One year I got sick for three days and when I returned to work my boss started yelling at me because I hadn't finished some project before getting sick. Another year I got sick for a week and my boss (different company) called me at home to check up on me. Frustrated with the trouble the flu was causing me, I started to lie about my allergy and said I was not allergic to eggs, so I was then able to get vaccinated. That was about 15 years ago and I have not had the flu once since then. Every year I get a flu shot, lie about my allergy, don't experience any allergy related side effects, and don't get the flu. If you're concerned about the mercury preservative, then quit whining about it and just get the mercury-free version. I really had a good laugh over OCA's recommendation for fighting the swine flu: organic diets, medicinal herbs, and homeopathy. What a joke. If you think that stuff will protect you from a deadly virus, you're in for an unpleasant surprise.

[CASnyder]

I'm an adult w/ no significant health problems, so I've updated important vaccinations like tetnus recently, though I tend to skip flu vaccinations since I have minimal exposure because I work from home most of the time and don't even go in stores or other public spaces much. I figure as long as my body is well nourished, rested, and has a healthy immune system, I'm better off letting it get exercise fighting off any micro-organisms its exposed to and acquiring my immunities the old-fashioned way. Plus, I'm so far down the list of priorities of most vulnerable people, that by the time I'd be eligible to get a shot, the flu season is almost over anyways. Sometimes my husband picks up a bug from the hospital he works at, and then I usually come down with it, too, but I often get over it much faster, too.

I do think it is a bad idea to be manufacturing vaccines with mercury (called thymerasol) as a preservative and giving it to young infants and children on an almost mandated basis (by the schools, if not by law), typically without informing the parents of what's in the vaccine. They can make most vaccines without thymerasol, but you have to know to request it. The manufacturers claim the amount of mercury is so small that it couldn't cause health problems, but they are looking at it in isolation, just the amount in a single vaccine dose. But there are a lot of sources of environmental mercury that young children could have been exposed to, from particulates from powerplants in our air and water, which get concentrated in fish, to amalgam fillings in our teeth, to residues in our houses that is left anytime someone breaks a mercury thermometer or fluorescent lightbulb. This is a heavy metal that bio-accumulates, so even newborns can be carrying it in their bodies if their mothers' had exposure and transmitted it in utero or in breast milk.

The medical establishment makes no effort to determine what level of mercury (or other toxins) a small child is already carrying in its body before administering vaccines, and often times they give multiple vaccinations in one doctor visit just for the convenience of doctors and parents. I think parents have the right to know about the risks of both the active agents and the preservatives in vaccines, and to decline or defer to a later date the usual vaccination schedule if they are concerned their child might get too much exposure to potentially harmful "medicines" at one time.

If only one vaccine is administered in the child's first vaccination, the parent and doctor can watch closely for adverse reactions, and if the child shows signs of sensitivity, then maybe it is worth the extra effort to get thymerasol-free vaccines for this child. The horror stories of seemingly normal kids who developed autism or other physical or mental disabilities after vaccinations may not be proof that vaccinations can cause such awful outcomes, but should be reason enough to honor parents' wishes who want to take a precautionary principled approach to vaccinations. If the medical establishment were sympathetic to parents' concerns instead of labeling them as kooks and threats to society, and would work with concerned parents to test kids' levels of toxins before vaccination, perhaps fewer parents would choose to opt out of vaccination programs entirely, which would make the whole nation safer.

[magicdave]

I grew up in the household of a "country doctor." My father gave up his surgical residency at a hospital in Brooklyn N.Y. and moved the family to a very small town in the western part of the Catskill Mountains. Early in his practice his office was located in our house and we as children were somewhat exposed to all sort of pathogens. I had measles, mumps, and chicken pox all while I was quite young. I was vaccinated against small pox and possibly polio, I can't remember that far back regarding specifics. I also had the good fortune of following my Dad around the community hospital when he did his rounds and was further exposed to even more "bugs." I attribute my fairly powerful immune system to this exposure along with my knowledge of nutrition and herbal medicine. The reprint from Dr. Blaylocks website is incredibly eye opening however. My feeling is that we really need to make noise about this and I mean a lot of really LOUD noise. This is as bad as Big Agrabusiness destroying our food supply worldwide. We are doomed unless we have the resolve to stop all of this dedicated assault of mankind for profits..

[ckfarm]

If vaccines are so good, why all the LIES? The schools LIE, the doctors LIE, public health officials LIE. All say it is the LAW, you must get vaccinated. Yet, it is not. I attended the public fool system in the 70's and 80's and have never had any monkey puss, toxic vaccines. I have met hundreds of children, and even many adults, that have never been vaccinated. Not one of them has autism, attention deficit disorders, or any of the multitude of diseases and disorders that plague society. I also notice how pale and "drugged" most children look today when I go to a store or public event. They look sick and they are supposed to be healthy. Not good. It's going to get harder and harder for the pro poison crowd to push their lies as more and more children have health issues, and even die, from what's being foisted upon them. My heart aches for the pain and suffering they experience at the hand of the merchants of the earth and their willing minions in the gov. and medical monopoly.

My grandfather put it together back in the 40's when he was a guinea pig, as all soldiers are, for this government gone mad. He told my dad the cancer he had, (and died from) after being another guinea pig for the medical monopoly, was from the vaccines. $cience is a joke. It has nothing to do with truth or making life better, but is all about profit to the max. It's nice to see so many folks waking up to the lies we grew up with. May we seek true cures that help us all without deadly SIDE EFFECTS and profit!!

In Scripture we are warned of those that come to steal, kill, and destroy. It's long about time we heed that message before there are none left that can reproduce, or even live a decent life free of the merchants of the earth and their poisons. It's obvious that EVIL like MonSatan, AMA, FDA, and the pharmaceutical companies have no interest in a cure for anything. How much $ can be made off the pain and suffering of the masses. Garbage "food", toxic poisons and "legal" LOL!!drugs/vaccines mean never ending profit for them.

[agratefulbeing]

I choose not to vaccinate myself (as an informed adult) but was vaccinated as a child.Some of my children were vaccinated (when I was less informed) but we (me & my husband) choose not to vaccinate our children that are still @ home.I believe parents/ or guardians of children should be allowed the freedom to choose to not vaccinate / or vaccinate their child(ren),including which vaccinations, and when.
I would only agree to the parent/ or guardian being "REQUIRED by law" to READ documented information by Doctors,Scientists, Research journalists, etc. that discuss Why they support and recommend NOT vaccinating or Why they support or recommend vaccinating; and have them (parent / or guardian) sign a paper stating their decision is based on being INFORMED, NOT FEAR or COERCION.I believe more people would choose to NOT VACCINATE if their decision was based on being INFORMED and making an Independent decision, not based on FEAR,Coercion, Ignorance, or Denial.
After reading and studying the massive amount of info by those types of resources (mentioned above), I concluded that vaccinations are not safe, do not produce IMMUNITY for the body, and is an unnatural process that the body has to deal with.It is not a Democratic process if the right to choose is denied.

[pears]

I have mix feelings about this. This would be very hard to consider whether you are in favor or against. But on my side, it really depends on the situation and the type of aid that has been given a vaccine.This matter really depends on the illness that were given a remedy on. This must be taken a review with the professionals.

[cloudsandskye]

Oops, see above post.

[humanmilkpatentp...]

The flu vaccines are genetically engineered (hep B is also gmo). So the safety of these vaccines are questionable. I find it fascinating that there is hardly any public discussion about vaccines being genetically engineered. Should they be required by law? If one lives in a democracy, one would believe that one should have the option to decline vaccination. But those options are getting more and more limited. The CDC uses social marketing of vaccination--public media campaigns--to massage a message of the need for vaccinations. They use millions of tax payer dollars to blog and use the internet to persuade people that we have a flu pandemic. Heaven forbid you don't believe their public relations campaign or dare to refuse to be vaccinated. And heaven forbid you mention the CDC Foundation that gives money to the CDC in support of their campaigns. The CDC Foundation that is funded by the pharmaceutical industry. Yes, I believe there is a pandemic, its called greed.

[janetvelasquez80...]

I think vaccines is a must on everyone. Especially nowadays when new kinds of flu are coming out.

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[BBBoulder]

The flu vaccines are genetically engineered (hep B is also gmo). So the safety of these vaccines are questionable. I find it fascinating that there is hardly any public discussion about vaccines being genetically engineered. Should they be required by law? If one lives in a democracy, one would believe that one should have the option to decline vaccination. But those options are getting more and more limited. The CDC uses social marketing of vaccination--public media campaigns--to massage a message of the need for vaccinations. They use millions of tax payer dollars to blog and use the internet to persuade people that we have a flu pandemic. Heaven forbid you don't believe their public relations campaign or dare to refuse to be vaccinated. And heaven forbid you mention the CDC Foundation that gives money to the CDC in support of their campaigns. The CDC Foundation that is funded by the pharmaceutical industry. Yes, I believe there is a pandemic, its called greed.

[BBBoulder]

There is a public health interest in preventing the spread of some diseases. Smallpox is an example. However, one has to consider the overall impact on health and the normal functioning of the human immune system. For an interesting education on this topic, go to http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles...-Emergency.aspx for an interview with the head of the National Vaccine Information Center. Some of the fact you will learn:
- CDC has not been testing for H1N1 since August, so claims of deaths from H1N1 since then are based upon conjecture, namely that since it's prior to the normal flu season, it must be H1N1. Doctors who have told their patients they have swine flu since Aug 31 are making an assumption.
- Obama's declaration of an emergency that came out a week ago was actually a former declaration that was renewed in Oct 1. what is the reason for this announcement and for the apparent exaggeration of deaths? One can only guess, but one reason could be to justify the production and government orders for a large amount of vaccine and generate demand. According to a poll by the LA Times, 62% of Americans plan to refuse the vaccine.
- Approximately 1,000 people/day die from hospital-caused deaths. 36,000 die annually from flu-like illnesses (not verified as flu). However most of these die from other infections, such as pneumonia. Why are we having such a panicked reaction to 1000 deaths supposedly from H1N1? Is it possible the $7B of profit to drug companies for H1N1 is involved in this?
- Do you remember the Bush projection that 2,000,000 people would die from bird flu?
- There may be a predisposing situation in which children's immune systems are weakened by vaccination, making them more susceptible to complications from future flu complications? An unpublished Canadian study showed that children who had been previously vaccinated against seasonal flu were more likely to suffer from H1N1.
There is more than one video, so stay tuned when the first one ends and another will begin. There is really nothing to look at, so you can listen while cooking or doing something else.

From another source I have seen results of a study that showed that Sambucus (black elderberry) was comparable to Tamiflu with regard to H1N1. My family and I have used it at the start of any flu-like symptoms and found it to reduce or eliminate the symptoms--the sooner the better in terms of potentially avoiding the flu altogether.

[humanmilkpatentp...]

There is much to question regarding the "novel" H1N1 swine flu--including the use of antivirals like Tamiflu. I had meant to reference my post on the swine flu vaccination. If one is interested in reading how the CDC uses bloggers to promote vaccination, one can visit the following website. It specifically mentions the use of "mommy bloggers" to spread the word about vaccinating for the swine flu.
http://www.cdc.gov/healthmarketing/ehm/blogs.html

and if readers would like to visit the CDC Foundation and read the list of corporations that fund the CDC projects. Of interest is the Digene/Qiagen Corporation from the Netherlands which markets Sample & Assay Technologies. (it also markets the new swine flu test kits and/or components for the swine flu test kits). The CDC protocol includes the use of this company's components to test for H1N1 flu.
http://www.cdcfoundation.org/partners/corp...ions/index.aspx

[NorthernExposure]

I've had all the usual vaccinations, and some unusual ones, without incident. I think vaccines are a great invention. I used to get the flu almost every year because I couldn't get vaccinated due to my allergy to eggs. One year I got sick for three days and when I returned to work my boss started yelling at me because I hadn't finished some project before getting sick. Another year I got sick for a week and my boss (different company) called me at home to check up on me. Frustrated with the trouble the flu was causing me, I started to lie about my allergy and said I was not allergic to eggs, so I was then able to get vaccinated. That was about 15 years ago and I have not had the flu once since then. Every year I get a flu shot, lie about my allergy, don't experience any allergy related side effects, and don't get the flu. If you're concerned about the mercury preservative, then quit whining about it and just get the mercury-free version. I really had a good laugh over OCA's recommendation for fighting the swine flu: organic diets, medicinal herbs, and homeopathy. What a joke. If you think that stuff will protect you from a deadly virus, you're in for an unpleasant surprise.

Impeccable logic cloudsandskye; you're a joke... ROFLMFAO!


"I think I am, therefore, I am. I think." ~George Carlin

[NorthernExposure]

As I said earlier:


Also, note the following: http://politicalinquirer.com/2008/02/28/th...ne-autism-link/
"In sum, DVIC has concluded that the facts of this case meet the statutory criteria for demonstrating that the vaccinations CHILD received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder, which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder. Therefore, respondent recommends that compensation be awarded to petitioners in accordance with 42 U.S.C. § 300aa-11©(1)©(ii). DVIC has concluded that CHILD’s complex partial seizure disorder, with an onset of almost six years after her July 19, 2000 vaccinations, is not related to a vaccine-injury."

Mitochondrial disorders are extremely rare. Perhaps further research will suggest testing children for this possibility before vaccinating. Also note that a single court case does not equate to medical fact.

As anyone who examines the facts prior to the advent of vaccines, far more children died (or suffered life-long health problems) from childhood vaccination than today suffer complications from vaccinations.

As I mentioned before, without a doubt, if the number of children left unvaccinated continues to rise, we will see an increase in children who die from childhood diseases (as well as people who are now adults, who were not vaccinated in childhood). Right now, the number of unvaccinated children dying from childhood diseases is small - but if the number of unvaccinated children increases, the number of deaths will also increase - not linearly, but exponentially. (An unvaccinated girl in MN just died from influenza; several children died last year as well.)

I got a bad cold about 2 weeks after getting the flu vaccine. I felt horrible. Some people with the same symptoms might have claimed this was influenza. I don't - although symptoms overlapped, I didn't have the symptoms which were more typical of the flu. I had a similar cold about 2 months before getting vaccinated - perhaps some might claim I had influenza in that case as well, caused by "anticipation of being vaccinated". The point: although one person would claim the cold was really the flu, caused by the vaccination, I don't. My symptoms, my prior experience with a similar cold, and the fact I had been around elementary school children about a week before developing the cold, lead me to the conclusion that I had a cold - and the fact that I got it 2 weeks after getting the flu vaccine was to a great extent, pure coincidence.

Although I'm certain someone will say "your immune system was depressed by the vaccine", and I acknowledge that certainly could have been a very small factor, it's not relevant enough to make me choose to not get vaccinated. The protection it provides far exceeds the tiny amount of risk. Being sleep deprived over an extended period of time is a greater risk factor for immune system depression; being chronically stressed also has this and other negative health risks; not exercising has strongly negative effects on health. Yet the same people who ignore these factors are worried about vaccination, which saves many many lives every year.

What is rare are MDs in clinical practice that have knowledge of mitochondrial disorder, autoimmune dysfunction and disease.