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post Feb 25 2008, 05:40 PM
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Proof that chemtrials are not "Biological Warfare" (and are more likely weather control) can be seen from the facts in the article below in which the UK Government ADMITTED (that's right.. ADMITTED!!) biological warfare testing on it's own citizens in the past.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/...4398507,00.html
UK Government admits deadly spraying

A recent program which I suspect MAY HAVE BEEN bio-chemical warfare testing recently occured in California. This was done under the excuse of stopping the Light Brown Apple Moth (LBAM) from destroying crops. I note that one of the authors with the website and next article below deliberatley moved home, and took his family out of California when he learned this operation was to occur. California also happens to home the front runner companies and contracts for Chemtrials.

At least conclude from both articles that biological/biochemical warfare does not occur at the altitudes of 30,000 feet in which chemtrails occur (with some variation).

http://www.naturalnews.com/022158.html
Governor Schwarzenegger Backs Aerial Biochemical Spraying That Harms Children
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post Feb 25 2008, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (MarinaSnow @ Feb 25 2008, 04:05 AM) *
Fear sometimes causes people to take action, or at least to wake up.

How to Know if there are Chemtrails over your Home or in your City
A kind of funny little article: http://www.ehow.com/how_2199866_there-chem...-home-city.html

One of the comments had this link (you'll probably have to provide an e-mail addy to get in:
http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/8/chemtrails.htm

The poster of the Mercola article takes a little stronger stance than does Life....
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post Feb 26 2008, 02:53 AM
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This was just posted yesterday. Intersting stuff. I don't know how reliable, but worth a read:
http://weazlsrevenge.blogspot.com:80/2008/...phenomenon.html


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post Feb 26 2008, 03:06 AM
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"In 1999: Public Law of the US Code PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79] TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM" "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies." "The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States]." -SOURCE- Public Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977, 91 Stat. 334. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 91, page 334, you will find Public Law 95-79. Public Law 97-375, title II, Sec. 203(a)(1), Dec. 21, 1982, 96 Stat. 1882. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 96, page 1882, you will find Public Law 97-375...

..which in 2004 was repealed to state in section 1520a that they can't do that to unsuspecting civilians anymore. Mostly. Only in certain circumstances. Really." ~Elizabeth Prata

http://elizabethprata.blogspot.com/2008/02/chemtrails.html

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post Feb 26 2008, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (MarinaSnow @ Feb 25 2008, 10:53 PM) *
This was just posted yesterday. Intersting stuff. I don't know how reliable, but worth a read:
http://weazlsrevenge.blogspot.com:80/2008/...phenomenon.html


Yeah, that was a good read what with all the 'might, may, probably, possibly and could's and one f-word' in there and no references! Maybe the internet should be more regulated after all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Feb 27 2008, 01:45 AM
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A more level headed response I think...


http://omega.twoday.net/stories/229516/

Stormy Weather - The Government's Top-Secret Efforts To Control Mother Nature

By Bob Fitrakis and Fritz Chess

ref. ColumbusAlive.com

12-22-2001

With the grounding of virtually all civilian air flights in the immediate aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks, the bizarre speculation about what's happening in North American air space heightened. Columbus Alive received numerous citizen reports concerning airplanes "spraying" or leaving behind mysterious "chemtrails" or "contrail grids" in the sky. Some feared we were under biochemical attack while others postulated we were being inoculated against anthrax or some other biochemical hazard.
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post Feb 27 2008, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (Life shall Appear @ Feb 26 2008, 07:58 AM) *
Yeah, that was a good read what with all the 'might, may, probably, possibly and could's and one f-word' in there and no references! Maybe the internet should be more regulated after all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

People who are afraid of the Government, will often use these words in order to protect themselves (in their own mind, but if it helps them express themselves without fear, then so be it). Some articles are written with truth, but without references. This is unfortunate. Some of the garbage you have sent me is no better.

and the use of the "F" word is not synonymous with unreliable.
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post Feb 27 2008, 02:43 AM
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QUOTE (MarinaSnow @ Feb 26 2008, 09:59 PM) *
People who are afraid of the Government, will often use these words in order to protect themselves (in their own mind, but if it helps them express themselves without fear, then so be it). Some articles are written with truth, but without references. This is unfortunate. Some of the garbage you have sent me is no better.

and the use of the "F" word is not synonymous with unreliable.


That article was merely a recitation of info on the web. A mix of guess work and ideas.
'Plasmas attaching themselves to private parts' give me a break.
Articles written without references show that they are guess work and ideas and recitation of stuff on the web.
Do people read this Chemtrails thread because they're looking with interest in an online argument, rather than trying to find out the truth of things?
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post Feb 27 2008, 03:44 PM
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Look, all I did was post something that I found on the web which was recent. People can use their own discernment on whether or not it is reliable or of any significance. I am not trying to get into a whole big thing about it.
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post Feb 27 2008, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE (MarinaSnow @ Feb 27 2008, 11:44 AM) *
Look, all I did was post something that I found on the web which was recent. People can use their own discernment on whether or not it is reliable or of any significance. I am not trying to get into a whole big thing about it.


It may have been recent, but a recent regurgitation of DisInformation. And like I said I hate DisInformation because it is designed to create fear. Fearmongering is not based on fact and causes people to live in fear and be silent with lies swimming around in their heads. People need to be unafraid and vocal at what in the world is going on. We can do this even if we don't have all our facts completely straight. The confidence is what's needed.
We all also need to realise that info on the web when presented with doubts in their own article and without checkable, scientific or governmental documents and other like referrences is fearmongering.
If you post fearmongering, then you ARE fearmongering.
Time and again I've shown Chemtrails are weather control.

Excuse me while I have to go now and remove yet more "plasma's" from my private parts from a recent chemtrail spraying (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
And yes, I'll need a microscope, sorry 'bout that.
Although, how these "plasmas" got there from 30,000 feet in the air is still puzzling me!
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post Feb 28 2008, 03:41 AM
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I wrote: "Look, all I did was post something that I found on the web which was recent. People can use their own discernment on whether or not it is reliable or of any significance. I am not trying to get into a whole big thing about it."

"Life Shall Appear" hammers on......
QUOTE (Life shall Appear @ Feb 27 2008, 04:28 PM) *
It may have been recent, but a recent regurgitation of DisInformation. And like I said I hate DisInformation because it is designed to create fear. Fearmongering is not based on fact and causes people to live in fear and be silent with lies swimming around in their heads. People need to be unafraid and vocal at what in the world is going on. We can do this even if we don't have all our facts completely straight. The confidence is what's needed.
We all also need to realise that info on the web when presented with doubts in their own article and without checkable, scientific or governmental documents and other like referrences is fearmongering.
If you post fearmongering, then you ARE fearmongering.
Time and again I've shown Chemtrails are weather control.

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post Feb 29 2008, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE (MarinaSnow @ Feb 27 2008, 11:41 PM) *
I wrote: "Look, all I did was post something that I found on the web which was recent. People can use their own discernment on whether or not it is reliable or of any significance. I am not trying to get into a whole big thing about it."

"Life Shall Appear" hammers on......

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Sorry to freak you out.
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post Mar 1 2008, 03:28 AM
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Tons of chemtrails today where I live, and sure enough done before overcast clouds come, and an impending snow storm which the weather channel predicted.
This pattern is recurrent but may be only one form of a chemtrail operation.
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post Mar 1 2008, 04:35 AM
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I just came accross some chemtrails debunker type websites. It amazes me that some people still exist who don't think Chemtrails are real.

So here's just a reminder via 3 minute video from the UK, which I could have as easily recorded from my own house, showing without a doubt chemtrails exist!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JLTDw34E9Xw
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post Mar 3 2008, 02:00 PM
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What can we do about Chemtrails? This two minute video shows a group of people who have a great idea:

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=lZSpEjaDl2c

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post Mar 3 2008, 03:47 PM
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Local news weatherman admitting to chemtrail activity:
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio
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post Mar 3 2008, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE (MarinaSnow @ Mar 3 2008, 11:47 AM) *
Local news weatherman admitting to chemtrail activity:
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio


funny he did that and said that, and knew those things, 'it's something the military does' ok so it must be OK then. Did he keep his job after that? but anyway..


EXCUSE ME FOR WRITING IN CAPS (BTW I'M NOT ANGRY- AT LEAST NOT RIGHT NOW) I'M JUST GONNA WRITE IN CAPS THROUGHOUT THIS POST.

INTERNET USERS GUIDE TO HELP DETERMINE TRUE FROM DISINFORMATION.

GOOGLE 'CHEMTRAILS' YOU'LL GET WHAT I GOT AS PASTED BELOW (PROVIDED YOU'RE NOT MONTHS OUT FROM DOING THIS)

OK, NOW I'LL ADD MY COMMENTS IN CAPS AT THE END OF EACH SEARCH RESULT....

Chemtrails, an IntroductionMar 1, 2002.. If you are just beginning to learn about Chemtrails, the following Introductory article below will give you an overview of how this spraying ...
educate-yourself.org/ct/ - 167k - Cached - Similar pages

THESE GUYS ARE HONEST AND DISCERNING, BUT ALSO POST INCONCLUSIONS, SO MUST BE NOT COMPLETELY CONCLUDED ON THIS SUBJECT. I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR THAT THOUGH- THERE IS SUCH A LACK OF VERIFYABLE INFO ON CHEMTRAILS.

Chemtrails Data PageInformation and pictures. Chemtrails vs contrails controversy. Government conspiracy theories.
www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

RENSE IS EITHER SOLD OUT OR IS DISINFORMATION. IT'S NOW LIKE A MINI INTERNET. YOU MAY AS WELL GO BACK TO GOOGLE.

Chemtrails - Frequently Asked QuestionsWhat's the difference between a jet contrail and a chemtrail? According to the U.S. Air Force, jet contrails form above 33000 feet when hot engine exhaust ...
www.rense.com/general4/fre.htm - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

DITTO.

Chemtrail conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Chemtrail conspiracy theory claims that some trails left behind jet aircraft are different in appearance and quality from those of normal contrails, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory - 50k - Cached - Similar pages

WIKIPEDIA IS OPEN SOURCE AND CAREFULLY EDITED BY THE PERPS. DON'T TRUST IT BUT AT LEAST READ OVER IT IN YOUR RESEARCH.

Chemtrail CentralFind FAQ, photos, information on research, public forum, articles, and related links.
www.chemtrailcentral.com/ - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

PROMOTES 'SILVER ORBS' THEORY. PROMOTES 'CARNICOM.COM' WHICH IS DISINFO. PROMOTES RENSE.COM AFORE MENTIONED.

(SO FAR IN THIS SEARCH RESULT I'M NOT LEARNING ANYTHING DECENT ABOUT CHEMTRAILS)

Chemtrails-Contrails An extensive website proving that chemtrails are a secret government conspiracy. CIA and military coverup.
www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm - 1k - Cached - Similar pages

TOTAL DISINFO. SUGGESTING CHEMTRAILS ARE BIOLOGICAL WARFARE.


OK I LEAVE IT THERE.
BE VERY DISCERNING AND LOGICAL BROWSING THE INTERNET. THE DISINFO AGENTS ARE PROBABLY MORE ACTIVE AND RESOURCEFULL THAN THE GENUINE RESEARCHES LIKE YOU AND ME. THEY MIX TRUTH IN WITH LIES MAKING IT HARDER TO DISCERN THAN OUTRIGHT LIES.
LOOK FOR REFERENCES TO THE INFO.
LOOK FOR SCEINTIFIC BACKUP AND REFERENCES TO THE INFO.
LOOK FOR GOVERNMENTAL DOCUMENTS, PRESS RELEASES TO THE INFO- YES GOVERNMENT AND SCIENCES STILL HAVE TO DO THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
FINALLY NEVER TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA BUT LOOK FOR SOME OF THEIR INFO ON THINGS.
NEVER, BELIEVE EVERYTHING WITHOUT QUESTIONING, DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH, AND COMING TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THE MOST VERIFYABLE FACTS YOU CAN FIND.
IF YOU'RE CALLED TO BE AN ACTIVIST, NEVER BE AN ACTIVIST BASED ON INTERNET INFORMATION ONLY. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF. KNOCK POLITELY AND CALMLY ON THE DOORS OF RELEVENT AUTHORITIES FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES.

MY OWN CONCLUSION: CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT 'CLOUDS OF DEATH' BUT ARE WEATHER CONTROL, ARE A MILITARY OPERATION- HENCE THE SECRECY, IT IS WOLRDWIDE, IT IS COVERED UP BY AUTHORITIES, WHEN PRESSURED ENOUGH THEY'LL ADMIT IT BUT LIE AND SAY IT'S TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS TO DO WITH WEATHER CONTROL/RADAR/MILITARY/H.A.A.R.P OPERATIONS.

RESEARCH H.A.A.R.P AS ANOTHER PROJECT BUT DON'T COMPLETELY DISASSOCIATE THE TWO.

(sorry I don't use a spell checker). Good luck all.
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post Mar 4 2008, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE
MY OWN CONCLUSION: CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT 'CLOUDS OF DEATH' BUT ARE WEATHER CONTROL, ARE A MILITARY OPERATION- HENCE THE SECRECY, IT IS WOLRDWIDE, IT IS COVERED UP BY AUTHORITIES, WHEN PRESSURED ENOUGH THEY'LL ADMIT IT BUT LIE AND SAY IT'S TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS TO DO WITH WEATHER CONTROL/RADAR/MILITARY/H.A.A.R.P OPERATIONS.

But don't you think that whatever they use to manipulate the weather can cause toxins to be emitted into the air? Case in point: The people who have found Barium in the areas where the chemtrails were heavy...
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post Mar 4 2008, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE (MarinaSnow @ Mar 3 2008, 08:35 PM) *
But don't you think that whatever they use to manipulate the weather can cause toxins to be emitted into the air? Case in point: The people who have found Barium in the areas where the chemtrails were heavy...


Absolutely, Chemtrails are not good. But are not as bad a biological warfare which is the disinformation. Informing and protesting about Chemtrails is worthwhile, and better done if we are not fearmongering and logically informed. I have no intention of sounding negative, sorry if I do. Keep up being clued up Marina.. not that I have all the answers.
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A person who claims to be an Executive Management Consultant in Energy and Telecommunications with twenty years experience in the Energy Sector and with the American Environmental Health Foundation (Effects of ELF and Radio Frequency on Human Health) says, "the combustion of hydrocarbon products from chentrails is toxic. As well as there being a concern with aluminum chaff concerns, there is also concern about the emissions from the jet fuel, JP8 Aviation Fuel (Jet Propulsion Fuel 8 -a kerosene-based (Alkane) fuel)."

This person says, "Kerosene-based hydrocarbon fuels are complex mixtures of approximately 260 aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbon compounds, including varying concentrations of
toxicants such as benzene, n-hexane, toluene, xylene, trimethylpentane, methoxyethanol,
naphthalene (including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons [PAHs], and certain other C(9)-C(12)
fractions (i.e., n-propylbenzene, trimethylbenzene isomers)."

This person says, "chemicals are environmentally persistent and accumulate. They are
also bio-accumulating in humans and animals causing cellular and neurological toxicity."

Sounds about right to me.

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