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Jul 21 2008, 05:37 PM
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The Environmental Protection Agenecy has released new figures for what they consider the average American's life is worth. The amount, which is used to determine if the costs related to implementing various environmental policies are worth the amount of human life those policies save, has dropped one million dollars in just the last five years (read more here).
Frankly stated, you're not worth nearly as much to the U.S. Government as you used to be. Is this method of cost analysis and comparison a valid and accurate way of determining which environmental regulations are worth implementing and which are too expensive? Talk about it here (click "Add Reply" if you are a forum member. If you are not yet e member, sign-up by scrolling to the top of this page): |
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Jul 27 2008, 10:37 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 27-July 08 Member No.: 3,297 |
The Environmental Protection Agenecy has released new figures for what they consider the average American's life is worth. The amount, which is used to determine if the costs related to implementing various environmental policies are worth the amount of human life those policies save, has dropped one million dollars in just the last five years (read more here). Frankly stated, you're not worth nearly as much to the U.S. Government as you used to be. Is this method of cost analysis and comparison a valid and accurate way of determining which environmental regulations are worth implementing and which are too expensive? Talk about it here (click "Add Reply" if you are a forum member. If you are not yet e member, sign-up by scrolling to the top of this page): If we didn’t have the McCain and Obama types, would the rest of us be worth more? |
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Aug 10 2008, 06:31 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 10-August 08 From: Colorado Springs Member No.: 3,646 |
what's the relevance of our "value" as humans?
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Aug 14 2008, 01:14 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 1-February 08 Member No.: 2,211 |
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what's the relevance of our "value" as humans? How in the world can anybody put a dollar value to a human life!People have different values throughout their entire lives,to family,country,etc..It is nonsense to allow anybody to put a monetary value to any human life.Who would be qualified to make such an estimation? Ridiculous! Ed P. |
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Aug 14 2008, 09:21 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 14-August 08 Member No.: 3,708 |
Is this 'value' determined by the amount we make and therefore spend? It is ludicrous to have an estimated value and if it is based on how much we make and spend then we are really in a bind. The US is failing it's citizens in so many ways whether or not this is the case. If this value is based on earnings and consumption then it would seem as if there were an intention to 'devalue' US citizens in the eyes of the government and only a remote few benefactors. The corporations employing us do not have to pay us a reasonable wage, which I am sure they were a large part of that, then are value decreases as costs go up and wages remain absurdly low. What determines this 'value' of US citizens?
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Aug 17 2008, 01:48 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 28-July 08 Member No.: 3,298 |
If we didn’t have the McCain and Obama types, would the rest of us be worth more? not to worry - the monetary system is bankrupt - there is a new value to life and it has nothing to do with money and everything to do with the power we exercise - so keep in shape and flex those powerful muscles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . |
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Aug 17 2008, 10:41 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 10-August 08 From: Colorado Springs Member No.: 3,646 |
[color="#A0522D"][/color] How in the world can anybody put a dollar value to a human life!People have different values throughout their entire lives,to family,country,etc..It is nonsense to allow anybody to put a monetary value to any human life.Who would be qualified to make such an estimation? Ridiculous! Ed P. yeah, it really doesn't make a lot of sense to me... |
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Aug 21 2008, 12:02 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 10-December 07 From: upstate NY Member No.: 1,930 |
Gotta love these government policies and the facts and statistics they're based on. I suppose our "value" has gone down because there are more of us, over 300 million USA residents, now. I don't feel any less valuable, though, than I was say 30 years ago.
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Mar 20 2009, 08:50 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 20-March 09 Member No.: 5,377 |
Reminds me of a painting my friend painted. He painted it on the hood of an old Chevy. It is 3 business/politicians sitting around a table "chopping" human bodies into lines ready for snorting. Greed is a drug, our government (the pusher) just dropped his prices from the street corner to the gutter.
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Mar 26 2009, 01:16 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 26-March 09 Member No.: 5,396 |
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Apr 10 2009, 02:58 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 10-April 09 Member No.: 5,458 |
There is a little book that denotes the monetary "value" of each and every body part. If you ever have a work injury/disability, you will find out how minuscule that amount is.
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Apr 10 2009, 04:36 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 30-March 09 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,401 |
Well from the things that the government are doing now they do not have a high opinion of the value of their citizens. Reading a book called the "The Slow Poisoning of America" and many others our lives are based on how much money they can make from either our life or death and they do not care either way. Irradiation, genetically altered food, MSG, High Fructose corn syrup, fluoride,numerous poisonous additives in our food and cosmetics really tell us that our lives our not important to our government and we have to fight to save ouselves from Codex and our government. At 37 in the world in longevity and falling one can only deduce that we are on of the sickest countries in the world. The statistics show that are disease rates are going up every year. This country is a lie. We really do not have a bona fide government anymore that represents the people. It now is now completeley controlled by special interests and huge multi national companies whose total desire is greed. They control our food and those that control the food control the country. It is a shame that the average citizen is completeley unaware of this fact and will call you a conspiracy theorist if you tell them. Take out the theorist and it is indeed a conspiracy of the worst kind. T.V. and the newspapers will not give you any truth as they are owned or controlled by the same people. Therefore the politicians through the government are completely in the pocket of the same people. It is a horrible picture for its citizens who are mostly clueless of what is going on. Some I know have a clue but are so terrified they are in shock and fear and unable to act. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)
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Apr 10 2009, 04:39 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 30-March 09 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,401 |
Well from the things that the government are doing now they do not have a high opinion of the value of their citizens. Reading a book called the "The Slow Poisoning of America" and many others our lives are based on how much money they can make from either our life or death and they do not care either way. Irradiation, genetically altered food, MSG, High Fructose corn syrup, fluoride,numerous poisonous additives in our food and cosmetics really tell us that our lives our not important to our government and we have to fight to save ouselves from Codex and our government. At 37 in the world in longevity and falling one can only deduce that we are on of the sickest countries in the world. The statistics show that are disease rates are going up every year. This country is a lie. We really do not have a bona fide government anymore that represents the people. It now is now completeley controlled by special interests and huge multi national companies whose total desire is greed. They control our food and those that control the food control the country. It is a shame that the average citizen is completeley unaware of this fact and will call you a conspiracy theorist if you tell them. Take out the theorist and it is indeed a conspiracy of the worst kind. T.V. and the newspapers will not give you any truth as they are owned or controlled by the same people. Therefore the politicians through the government are completely in the pocket of the same people. It is a horrible picture for its citizens who are mostly clueless of what is going on. Some I know have a clue but are so terrified they are in shock and fear and unable to act. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry.gif) |
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Apr 10 2009, 04:52 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 30-March 09 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,401 |
[color="#A0522D"][/color] How in the world can anybody put a dollar value to a human life!People have different values throughout their entire lives,to family,country,etc..It is nonsense to allow anybody to put a monetary value to any human life.Who would be qualified to make such an estimation? Ridiculous! Ed P. The only people who would even think to put a value on human life are those who place no value on human life but only what value you bring to them. These people are the same ones who are making lots of money by adding many poisons to your foods. They are without morals or scruples or caring for their fellow man in any way,shape or form. You represent money they can make from you no matter what that takes even if in using their poisons that causes you to eventually die. In the meantime they make money from you. This is evil on a level you cannot even understand. They are addicted to greed you might say even if the whole country dies. That is madness and evil!!!!!! The EU have their number and do not let their poisons in but there is tremnedous pressure from the U.S. who is already compromised to export this form of hell to Europe also. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) |
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Apr 12 2009, 04:41 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 24-January 08 From: Boise, ID Member No.: 2,166 |
The Environmental Protection Agenecy has released new figures for what they consider the average American's life is worth. The amount, which is used to determine if the costs related to implementing various environmental policies are worth the amount of human life those policies save, has dropped one million dollars in just the last five years (read more here). Frankly stated, you're not worth nearly as much to the U.S. Government as you used to be. Is this method of cost analysis and comparison a valid and accurate way of determining which environmental regulations are worth implementing and which are too expensive? Talk about it here (click "Add Reply" if you are a forum member. If you are not yet e member, sign-up by scrolling to the top of this page): If you have a look at www.nextrevolution.net you will see why government doens't consoder the average American worth much |
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Apr 12 2009, 04:45 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 24-January 08 From: Boise, ID Member No.: 2,166 |
If you have a look at www.nextrevolution.net you will see why government doens't consoder the average American worth much Have a look at www.nextrevolution.net & you'll see government has no value on human life, just the tax $ you generate to cover the tax $ evaded through campaign finance. |
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Apr 20 2009, 05:24 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 10-December 07 From: Washington State Member No.: 1,926 |
That's not all that bad a figure considering the average life of a politician usually racks up a negative figure.
When populations get high enough to endanger the whole planet, they devaluate us and get rid of the excess in any way they can do so without causing risk to their power. That is what they are doing right now - C202 scam. We NEED that carbon, it's not a pollutant. Watch the fun when they start to deplete it. You have been SO LIED to. Watch what is going on in legislation - they are taking over control of your food and supplements at the very time they are planning to cut C202. Can anyone say mass famine on a scale that will wipe out 3/4 of life on earth? The only way a depletion of C202 can remain non-deadly is if the Earth cools rapidly - and gee, ya know what cold snaps do to crops? Overnight disaster. The real question is - how many can you ethically kill off to save a planet ravaged by an over-population problem that half of the people refuse to even admit is a problem - they listen to pulpit thumpers instead of sitting down and doing some very simple math that would allow them to see firsthand what is going on. When they devaluate life - it means that populations are causing a problem and you need to be very afraid of the means they will use to clear out enough of it to restabilize the planet. |
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Apr 20 2009, 05:36 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 24-January 08 From: Boise, ID Member No.: 2,166 |
That's not all that bad a figure considering the average life of a politician usually racks up a negative figure. When populations get high enough to endanger the whole planet, they devaluate us and get rid of the excess in any way they can do so without causing risk to their power. That is what they are doing right now - C202 scam. We NEED that carbon, it's not a pollutant. Watch the fun when they start to deplete it. You have been SO LIED to. Watch what is going on in legislation - they are taking over control of your food and supplements at the very time they are planning to cut C202. Can anyone say mass famine on a scale that will wipe out 3/4 of life on earth? The only way a depletion of C202 can remain non-deadly is if the Earth cools rapidly - and gee, ya know what cold snaps do to crops? Overnight disaster. The real question is - how many can you ethically kill off to save a planet ravaged by an over-population problem that half of the people refuse to even admit is a problem - they listen to pulpit thumpers instead of sitting down and doing some very simple math that would allow them to see firsthand what is going on. When they devaluate life - it means that populations are causing a problem and you need to be very afraid of the means they will use to clear out enough of it to restabilize the planet. |
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Apr 20 2009, 05:40 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 24-January 08 From: Boise, ID Member No.: 2,166 |
I guess if we can produce enough food, we'll kill the people we can't feed, & promote democracy at the same time so the crooks ripping US off can make as much $ as possible.
Good, we won't run out of countries to attack, go to war with, spend trillions, & send Americans to die for all the wrong reasons. www.nextrevolution.net It's nice to know that while individual taxpayer's 401k lose 50%, as 60 minutes showed last night, up to half going to hidden fees, our representatives will still make bank sending Americans to die in wars they're responsible for. Our representatives hand out billions to defense contractors, invest in them & make millions, start wars based on lies after being attacked on 9/11 by terrorist who have the stones Americans don't in attacking US. Americans had a Tea Party. Wasn't that nice? Republicans used it to blame Obama for their failures after voting Bush into office & nobody knows. Bush didn't do squat the last four months letting the financial crisis get as bad as possible & democrats waited knowing they'd win the election. The two parties are equally guilty of the greatest crime the world has ever seen. There's the truth about America. We've become exactly what we had the American Revolution to get from beneath! We are worse than communism or terrorism. That's why terrorist attacked US on 9/11 & the American people are too dumb to even realize we're being taken just like the Native American was. AIG & the crooks we're bailing out made trillions, we're bailing them out to the tune of trillions, after dying in & paying for wars costing trillions, while AIG give themselves bonuses & representatives auto pay raises? The American people had a tea party, we want our country backkkkkk, boooo, hoooo. The American people deserve to be ripped off & yes we did deserve 9/11 because we didn't make our representatives work for US. Just because terrorist had the guts to do what we should have done years ago, we blame them & not ourselves or our representatives. Every problem we have is the direct result of our mis-representation in DC while in the pocket of campaign finance & contributors are handing our tax $ right back to the same representatives who gave it to them while they all make $$$$$! Illegal immigration has broke our health care system & has been promoted by our representation in return for campaign finance. Busted unions & held down wages while claiming Americans won't do jobs we did thrity years ago when we made a living wage doing them. Free trade promoted by the same representatives has US in competition with China over oil while they pollute & force slave labor but the American people go along while being poisoned, lose jobs, & the cost of everything we do & buy goes up. China is buying US up & who is benefiting? NOT the taxpayer who cant make a living wage because we're buying Chinese crap made by slaves. the American people are so foolish the believe everything our representatives tell US & they're making millions while we go broke. How many people have to be living on the streets before we catch on? How many trillion have they stole from Social Security & when it goes under after years of talking about fixing it, who is going to pay? Big oil, defense contractors, & all contributors are making out like a bandit to the tune of trillions of $ while American die in wars & pay trillions. We didn't get to be trillions in the red the same way our representatives became millionaires. Does that clear it up any? We the People are being taken in the greatest scam the world has ever seen, we call it democracy & spread it all over the world with war & murder. The United States is the divided states, half republican, half democrat, manipulated into poverty while our representatives & their partners in crime make bank & the world hates US taxpayers. We contradict everything we suggest we are. We contradict the American Revolution in that we've become what we had the revolution to get from beneath. We disgrace every family of every American who died so we could be free. Taxpayers are being ripped off by our representatives through campaign finance. Tea Party, we're more English now then we were in 1776, we're just another phony lie, the American people are so foolish they believe they accomplished anything. Our government, banks, & the entire joke has been corrupt for over a half century & we still don't catch on. When we get nuked it'll be our fault just like 9/11 because we didn't live by the foundation & beliefs our constitution & all who gave US the rights because we haven't held our government accountable. . |
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Apr 21 2009, 01:59 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 24-January 08 From: Boise, ID Member No.: 2,166 |
aaaaaaaaaaaa Typical American, being taken for everything they own & all they have to say is aaaaaaaaaaaaa? Why we had the American Revolution is a mystery & we'll never have another because the blood has become so watered down qwith aaaaaaaaaaaa Republican or democrat no doubt, no sign of intelligent life. |
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